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Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 41	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:12:22 - [1] - Quote Querns wrote: Gilbaron wrote: two very dangerous things: 1. this allows experienced people who have done something "terrible" a fresh start WITH SP and WITHOUT having to use the bazarr Why is this a bad thing? It's not and the amount of overreacting in this thread is beyond comical. This isn't allowing people to p2w for skill points, it's trading EXISTING SP's. The diminishing returns almost make it almost useless for a character above a certain amount of SP. I see this being extremely useful for helping alts along the way i.e. ratting alts,cyno alts, trading alts. I personally think the old guard of this game need to get over themselves and let CCP make some extra money. Game is 12 years old and consistently losing players.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 41	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:21:15 - [2] - Quote Mr Blu wrote: I think this is good idea. Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there. Only people against this are elitist bittervets. Exactly. The Character Bazaar is already technically "pw2" for SP and the only real difference is you're buying an entire character on there. I'd much rather be able to sell my SP used for Mackinaws,Hulks,Orcas,even capitals since I never fly them instead of being forced to sell the entire character. Works out on both sides and might even lead to less characters changing hands.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 41	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:05 - [3] - Quote Ben Musana wrote: First of all - i dont like the idea of trading skillpoints. We all need our time for getting our skill goal to be reached. One of the major reason why im plaing eve since 2008 is the skill tree and there possibilities. Open this to the market will ruin the game. A 5M SP Character could buy SP to speed things up. OK the character has now the skillpoints for there new 'toys' but still not the isk to buy it - well CCP offers PLEX for sell to serve this kind of problem. So CCP has no reason to lower the plex price and so on ... just think about it. - Some could say: CCP gets greedy! A lot of ppl have 'unused' alts and are happy if they could 'transfer' there SP to there main, but is it worth a hole 'system of SP trade' for it with all there consequences ..... NO! Electronic Arts has gone a similar way with Need 4 Speed World. They where to greedy - changed to much! Now the servers are offline! Does i see the end on the horizon comming ? Is it still worth to play this game ? I have no answer for that, but i really hope that enough of us, will shoot jita if they bring that feature (SP trading) on the market! Regards Ben Musana I hate to break it to you and others who think like you but CCP is a business, it is their job to make money. All I hear from a lot of clueless EVE players is "CCP is greedy!, they want more money!". Without money to game doesn't operate. Not really hard to figure out. >but i really hope that enough of us, will shoot jita if they bring that feature (SP trading) on the market! Oh noes,not an in-game riot because EVE players don't understand the concept that it takes money to operate an MMO,the horror!
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 41	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:27:51 - [4] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: I'll up the anty: If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters. Can I have your stuff?
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 41	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:30:07 - [5] - Quote Ihfrit wrote: as a player returning from my extended break i do every few years .. you just made me want to perma quit. this is an awful idea making this game pay to win. Character Bazaar is already p2w, what the difference here guys? Do tell.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 42	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:35:53 - [6] - Quote Kazikings wrote: I cant wait for CCPs reaction to this community outcry - if there will be any at all. I guess it depends on if CCP is more interesting in retaining newer to mid level players than to appeasing a bunch of bittervets who can't understand the concepts of change. I still don't get the difference between trading existing SP from a character and buying a character off the bazaar. I mean,either way SP is being traded for isk/converted PLEX.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 42	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:39:38 - [7] - Quote Bienator II wrote: before everyone goes mental here a few reasons why it is not pay2win: - SP is traded between 2 chars, no SP is generated out of nothing - SP is lost in transaction (SP sink) - it is an alternative to an already existing feature (char bazzar) - it is mostly only useful for young chars and last but not least having SP and winning are two different things. would i use it? probably not because i have too much SP already. It would be highly inefficient to use it on this char. do i mind that noobs could potentially have high SP chars in their first month? no is this a good change? i don't know Finally someone with some damned sense, thank you.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 45	Posted - 2015.10.15 16:55:16 - [8] - Quote Broggo Yimmix wrote: Bad idea CCP. This looks alot like a pay to win scenario. Also it means people can do whatever with their characters and it doesn't change their value. High sec gank till you're as low as you can go then part out the toon > rinse and repeat; Awox to your hearts content then part out the toon and use the funds to start all over. It removes the lasting effects of a players actions and makes truly disposable toons of Value. I don't mind the consmetic part of the store, but this is an apocalyptically bad decision. It makes monocle gate look positive in comparison. You can already exchange tags for sec status. All of the stuff you mentioned is already doable via the character bazaar. This,trading of SP, has nothing to do with selling off a character with bad a bad reputation.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 47	Posted - 2015.10.15 17:06:26 - [9] - Quote Shade Alidiana wrote: Strongly disapprove. I think reasons are obvious. Didn't read any of the topic, though. Then you have probably no idea why you don't like this. The SP isn't created out of thin air, it's traded from a character that already has it. You should probably read it so you can formulate an actual meaningful opinion.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 49	Posted - 2015.10.15 17:23:46 - [10] - Quote Skinzee wrote: All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points... Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win... My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship.. Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn... That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly). If I had the option to spend -ú20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it. What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either. I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc. I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it. All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway... IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR! I have 111m sp and love the proposal. Hope to see you in a Curse soonGäó
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 49	Posted - 2015.10.15 17:32:16 - [11] - Quote Captain Africa wrote: Skinzee wrote: All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points... Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win... My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship.. Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn... That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly). If I had the option to spend -ú20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it. What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either. I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc. I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it. All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway... IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR! YOU DON'T BUY YOUR WAY INTO EVE >>>YOU EARN YOUR WAY INTO EVE ....like we all did ! Don't speak for everyone man. Have you not heard of the character bazaar? Saying "we all earned it" is beyond idiotic. That's just as much p2w as this is.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 50	Posted - 2015.10.15 17:46:40 - [12] - Quote Tado wrote: No thank you this is a terrible idea. I have been playing this game since day one and for me this idea of yours will kill EVE for me. You bittervets really need to get over yourselves.You've been playing since day 1 and want to hold that "elite" status until the server finally shuts down? I say that because it seems bittervets would rather the game day then CCP make any changes that might effect their "elite" status.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 50	Posted - 2015.10.15 17:47:30 - [13] - Quote Felo Maxun wrote: "We hope that because this feature is modeled from the Character Bazaar, a long-standing and well-established feature, we are already pointed in a good direction." This feature is not "modeled from the Character Bazaar" not in the slightest. There is basically only one thing in eve that cant be bought.... and you want to put it up for sale. This is a sad day. If you don't consider the character bazaar as buying isk or even a new identity, you're either blind or just in denial.
Tzu Wu THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two 50	Posted - 2015.10.15 17:49:53 - [14] - Quote Duffyman wrote: Hi, not meaning to take sides, but what is the difference between this and the Character Bazaar, in terms of P2W? Almost zero difference aside from being able to apply the SP to a new character.

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